mundada
06-11 04:29 PM
Buddy you are right! I was at my relative's place and they received their GCs recently about a year ago.
They were happy that the govt. is doing all kinds of H1-B checks and restricting immigration. I am not saying they are bad people but rising costs of living (not only because of inflation (?) but mainly because of growing children which require paying for swimming, paying for paino, etc., house maintenance, updating furniture, etc.) make people to behave in a certain way. They were all worried because immigration in IT was depressing their salaries and blah blah. It's natural cycle of life and very tough to be financially independent but then bajrangbali is exception as he could predict in march what well fargo would be in june and today he can predict what well fargo will be in september!
Nitinboston is right. He is not saying that we do not deserve it. Just saying that we should not behave that we are entitled to it. The Govt did not promise that one will get green card in X years...and broke that promise. Yes, the system is flawed and all sorts of people get ahead in line..and some get stuck.
However, this crazy rants critizing the country where we want to settle down is a bit hypocritical. If you hate so much...please leave...its a choice.
Once again, I am not saying we do not fight for improvement..and better quotas..better visa allocation (and more of them). But let us not behave like bad guests.
I am personally suffering big time despite being in the country for 10 years..and will support initiatives. But I will not behave like as if I have been wronged. If one feels so wronged..please pack up and leave. If you think you have been cheated of your social security...by all means...please go to a country where you can earn more money and keep all that.
Once all of us become citizens...we will then start wondering that our jobs are being taken away by new immigrants..and the cycle continues........
They were happy that the govt. is doing all kinds of H1-B checks and restricting immigration. I am not saying they are bad people but rising costs of living (not only because of inflation (?) but mainly because of growing children which require paying for swimming, paying for paino, etc., house maintenance, updating furniture, etc.) make people to behave in a certain way. They were all worried because immigration in IT was depressing their salaries and blah blah. It's natural cycle of life and very tough to be financially independent but then bajrangbali is exception as he could predict in march what well fargo would be in june and today he can predict what well fargo will be in september!
Nitinboston is right. He is not saying that we do not deserve it. Just saying that we should not behave that we are entitled to it. The Govt did not promise that one will get green card in X years...and broke that promise. Yes, the system is flawed and all sorts of people get ahead in line..and some get stuck.
However, this crazy rants critizing the country where we want to settle down is a bit hypocritical. If you hate so much...please leave...its a choice.
Once again, I am not saying we do not fight for improvement..and better quotas..better visa allocation (and more of them). But let us not behave like bad guests.
I am personally suffering big time despite being in the country for 10 years..and will support initiatives. But I will not behave like as if I have been wronged. If one feels so wronged..please pack up and leave. If you think you have been cheated of your social security...by all means...please go to a country where you can earn more money and keep all that.
Once all of us become citizens...we will then start wondering that our jobs are being taken away by new immigrants..and the cycle continues........
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immignation
09-30 12:52 PM
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=200014
http://www.immigrationportal.com/archive/index.php/t-207102.html
Any reply to my original question?
Thanks all
http://www.immigrationportal.com/archive/index.php/t-207102.html
Any reply to my original question?
Thanks all
IN2US
07-06 03:26 PM
you mean 60k
I meant janitors approving 485 applications
I meant janitors approving 485 applications
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03-08 10:18 AM
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PD_Dec2002
03-17 10:55 PM
Jayant,
But again, the thing to know about this stimulus package/rebate is that this is not FREE money; it is merely an advance on your 2008 tax return. Remember that and think twice before you spend it foolishly. Better still, send it to IV, contribute to an IRA or fund your kid's 529 plan.
Courtesy by the link:
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=179181,00.html
ajay:
This was my source where I had read it about a month ago: http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/08/pf/taxes/rebates_what_you_need_to_know/ It was included in the answer for the question "Do I have to pay my rebate back". However, it appears CNN removed it...here's the ruckus about it: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/02/08/cnn-deletes-line-about-tax-rebates-being-advance
Anyway, thanks for pointing out. I will update my earlier post.
So the correct information seems to be as follows:
Impact on 2008 Tax Returns: The stimulus rebates will be calculated by the IRS using information on the 2007 tax returns. If taxpayers were entitled to a larger rebate based on their 2008 income, those taxpayers will be able to claim a tax credit for the additional amount. Taxpayers won't have to pay back the rebate, however, if using their 2008 income would result in a lower rebate amount.
In any case, whether it is free money or not, the fact remains that some of the best ways to spend it is by sending it to IV, contributing to an IRA or funding your kid's 529 plan.
Thanks,
Jayant
But again, the thing to know about this stimulus package/rebate is that this is not FREE money; it is merely an advance on your 2008 tax return. Remember that and think twice before you spend it foolishly. Better still, send it to IV, contribute to an IRA or fund your kid's 529 plan.
Courtesy by the link:
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=179181,00.html
ajay:
This was my source where I had read it about a month ago: http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/08/pf/taxes/rebates_what_you_need_to_know/ It was included in the answer for the question "Do I have to pay my rebate back". However, it appears CNN removed it...here's the ruckus about it: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/02/08/cnn-deletes-line-about-tax-rebates-being-advance
Anyway, thanks for pointing out. I will update my earlier post.
So the correct information seems to be as follows:
Impact on 2008 Tax Returns: The stimulus rebates will be calculated by the IRS using information on the 2007 tax returns. If taxpayers were entitled to a larger rebate based on their 2008 income, those taxpayers will be able to claim a tax credit for the additional amount. Taxpayers won't have to pay back the rebate, however, if using their 2008 income would result in a lower rebate amount.
In any case, whether it is free money or not, the fact remains that some of the best ways to spend it is by sending it to IV, contributing to an IRA or funding your kid's 529 plan.
Thanks,
Jayant
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07-15 10:28 AM
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06-18 07:09 PM
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08-12 12:44 PM
I totally agree that is a very unfair measure against the whole H1-B community and all of us here especially for lots of us who come from large Indian technology companies. Having said that, don�t we all agree that the mess we are in including the Green Card retrogression is driven by the fact that this H1-B system was grossly misused by the unscrupulous body shops and consulting companies run primarily by Indians in US. These companies not only reduced the quality of Indian Professionals which was sort after by American Technology companies but also has made the skill set of every Indian professional seeking a job doubtful because of the widespread practice of dressing up the resumes. I am sure this had to happen sooner or later and unfortunately the ethical Indian companies have also got caught in this.
On the other hand I think the good fall out of all this should be that large Indian companies like TCS and Infosys should move from service centric model to a product centric model. I personally think that a product centric company is much higher in value chain compared to a service oriented company. Unfortunately India which has one of the best technological brains cannot boast of single product like Windows or for that matter Peopelsoft, SAP which would not have been possible without the contribution of Indian Technology Professionals but were developed for international companies.
Unfortunately we tend of have the ability of exploiting everything that comes our way like the H1-B Visa system a crackdown of which comes down to effect the people who play by the book. It won�t be long before axe comes down on the EB-1 category of GC the way its being exploited.
On the other hand I think the good fall out of all this should be that large Indian companies like TCS and Infosys should move from service centric model to a product centric model. I personally think that a product centric company is much higher in value chain compared to a service oriented company. Unfortunately India which has one of the best technological brains cannot boast of single product like Windows or for that matter Peopelsoft, SAP which would not have been possible without the contribution of Indian Technology Professionals but were developed for international companies.
Unfortunately we tend of have the ability of exploiting everything that comes our way like the H1-B Visa system a crackdown of which comes down to effect the people who play by the book. It won�t be long before axe comes down on the EB-1 category of GC the way its being exploited.
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subahjaani
07-06 11:54 AM
Is IV a big organization ? Yes. Definitely. With more than 20K members it is a big org.
But what transparency do you or we need about contribution money ?
Overall I had not seen monthly contribution going more than 2 - 3 K per month in last 3 years. And I think that would be enough to maintain the server and software cost, that too if spend very carefully. Cause we have more threads than contributions and it does costs to maintain and keep servers / Software up.
Now ask yourself ! ! !
Do I need to know the expenditure report ? My answer would be NO.
well said.
But what transparency do you or we need about contribution money ?
Overall I had not seen monthly contribution going more than 2 - 3 K per month in last 3 years. And I think that would be enough to maintain the server and software cost, that too if spend very carefully. Cause we have more threads than contributions and it does costs to maintain and keep servers / Software up.
Now ask yourself ! ! !
Do I need to know the expenditure report ? My answer would be NO.
well said.
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skv
06-22 03:13 PM
so it is tied to the applied applications can you not check someones elses application
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The employer can establish an account for an attorney or other agent at http://www.plc.doleta.gov. It's unique PERM cases filed by that employer.
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The employer can establish an account for an attorney or other agent at http://www.plc.doleta.gov. It's unique PERM cases filed by that employer.
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JunRN
10-24 12:19 AM
If this becomes a law, the USCIS will draft the rules. Definitely, those who are already in line will be allowed to use the recaptured visas and will pay the fees for that. They will also retain the PD.
I am hoping for the best this time.
I am hoping for the best this time.
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akhilmahajan
12-15 09:26 PM
Moved to MI and applied for license using EAD and expired I-94. Got it for 4 years. I guess I just got lucky.
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pappu
09-01 09:17 AM
Everyone getting receipt notices, and not coming to the rally, (not coming to the rally -most on tracker threads), please at least consider contributing to the rally once you get your notice or FP done or get EAD!. The rally cost is huge and we can do much more if people can contribute generously.
We helped you get to the stage so that everyone can file I485s. It pains us in the core team see how our members who used to tell us all the time to at least allow them to file I485 and then they will wholeheartedly take part and support IV have turned their backs on us now. With our work and victory in Visa bulletin fiasco, we even answered people who used to ask us for our achievements before they could contribute.
Now it is your opportunity to deliver.
We helped you get to the stage so that everyone can file I485s. It pains us in the core team see how our members who used to tell us all the time to at least allow them to file I485 and then they will wholeheartedly take part and support IV have turned their backs on us now. With our work and victory in Visa bulletin fiasco, we even answered people who used to ask us for our achievements before they could contribute.
Now it is your opportunity to deliver.
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chanduy9
07-06 10:26 AM
Please don't post any damageing statments..it may reverse fire on us..dont bash them...
Send them lovely flowers for all the greate and good work they did. I am sure they will get to know what they did and how much pain we are taking..We cant achive any thing hurting some one....
JUST SEND FLOWERS IT WILL EXPLAIN EVERY THING!!!
FLOWER DAY!!! JULY 10TH.
just my 2 cents..
Thanks,
Chandra.
Send them lovely flowers for all the greate and good work they did. I am sure they will get to know what they did and how much pain we are taking..We cant achive any thing hurting some one....
JUST SEND FLOWERS IT WILL EXPLAIN EVERY THING!!!
FLOWER DAY!!! JULY 10TH.
just my 2 cents..
Thanks,
Chandra.
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bigboy007
06-03 01:35 AM
I have been following with different threads over articles of Susherman / AILA on abolishing Dual intent for H1B visa and very much , deeply curious about finding the same :
Since i myself new of all these different texts of various immigration laws it took me some time but i think i found out the nerve of it atlast.
Here it goes :
There are two important sections of Student visas.
this bill is carefully drafted against us [h1B and green card] such that this provision is included in student visas section.
================================================== ====
(c) CLARIFYING THE IMMIGRANT INTENT PROVISION.— Subsection (b) of
14 section 214 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1184(b))
15 is amended—
16
17 (1) by striking the parenthetical phrase “(other than a
18 nonimmigrant described in subparagraph (L) or (V) of section
19 101(a)(15), and other than a nonimmigrant described in any
20 provision of section 101(a)(15)(H)(i) except subclause (b1) of
21 such section) " in the first sentence; and
22
23 (2) by striking “under section 101(a)(15)" and inserting in its
24 place “under the immigration laws.".
25
26 (d) GRANTING DUAL INTENT TO CERTAIN NONIMMIGRANT STUDENTS.—
27 Subsection (h) of section 214 of the Immigration and Nationality Act
28 (8 U.S.C. 1184(h)) is amended—
29
30 (1) by inserting “(F)(iv)," following “(H)(i)(b) or (c),"; and
31
32 (2) by striking “if the alien had obtained a change of status" and
33 inserting in its place “if the alien had been admitted as, provided
34 status as, or obtained a change of status";
================================================== =====
what does (c) in Student visas do :
214(b) of Immigration and Nationality Act : defines whether the applicant has an immigration intent or not and in general avoids , H , L , etc visas out of this category.
As stated in US code of Law this is what it is :
================================================== ======
"Every alien (other than a nonimmigrant described in subparagraph (L) or (V) of section 1101 (a)(15) of this title, and other than a nonimmigrant described in any provision of section 1101 (a)(15)(H)(i) of this title except subclause (b1) of such section) shall be presumed to be an immigrant until he establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer, at the time of application for a visa, and the immigration officers, at the time of application for admission, that he is entitled to a nonimmigrant status under section 1101 (a)(15) of this title. An alien who is an officer or employee of any foreign government or of any international organization entitled to enjoy privileges, exemptions, and immunities under the International Organizations Immunities Act [22 U.S.C. 288 et seq.], or an alien who is the attendant, servant, employee, or member of the immediate family of any such alien shall not be entitled to apply for or receive an immigrant visa, or to enter the United States as an immigrant unless he executes a written waiver in the same form and substance as is prescribed by section 1257 (b) of this title."
================================================== ======
By doing this (i.e. remove my Underlined and Bold letters) they making H1B prone to 214B clause and any CONSULAR officer can reject visa based on this statute as a H1B categorized as IMMIGRANT intent rather than earlier being non-immigrant.
Now i think this should not effect 485 or 140 or any immigration applications as still H1B holder is still categorized in DUAL Intent.
This is how : when (d) of the above Student visa section is applied this is how it turns :
This is from US code of rules pertaining to 8 U.S.C. 1184(h)
(h) Intention to abandon foreign residence
The fact that an alien is the beneficiary of an application for a preference status filed under section 1154 of this title or has otherwise sought permanent residence in the United States shall not constitute evidence of an intention to abandon a foreign residence for purposes of obtaining a visa as a nonimmigrant described in subparagraph (H)(i)(b) or (c),(F)(iv), (L), or (V) of section 1101 (a)(15) of this title or otherwise obtaining or maintaining the status of a nonimmigrant described in such subparagraph, if the alien had been admitted as, provided status as, or obtained a change of status under section 1258 of this title to a classification as such a nonimmigrant before the alien’s most recent departure from the United States.
================================================== ======
Section 1258 is nothing but Change of nonimmigrant classification which allows for change of status with in Non-immigrant visas.
based on all these , conclusion i see is : h1B visa can now be rejected ( if law passes and i wish , i pray and i am doing all my best it doesnt) under 214B for consular posts.
Still h1B is considered DUAL Intent as per above amendment as it doesnt remove 101 (a)(b) (H) as they are speciality workers that is we seeking GC.
Please comment , i know i am not an immigration attorney with my knowledge i tried to relate things i am curious about this subject and i request all to comment on this and i feel i made a good judgment based on these resources i have please comment.
*******************
But logically i also feel this H1B under 214B as doesnt logical for a person whose 140 is approved as in principle his intent of being Immigrant is approved.
Since i myself new of all these different texts of various immigration laws it took me some time but i think i found out the nerve of it atlast.
Here it goes :
There are two important sections of Student visas.
this bill is carefully drafted against us [h1B and green card] such that this provision is included in student visas section.
================================================== ====
(c) CLARIFYING THE IMMIGRANT INTENT PROVISION.— Subsection (b) of
14 section 214 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1184(b))
15 is amended—
16
17 (1) by striking the parenthetical phrase “(other than a
18 nonimmigrant described in subparagraph (L) or (V) of section
19 101(a)(15), and other than a nonimmigrant described in any
20 provision of section 101(a)(15)(H)(i) except subclause (b1) of
21 such section) " in the first sentence; and
22
23 (2) by striking “under section 101(a)(15)" and inserting in its
24 place “under the immigration laws.".
25
26 (d) GRANTING DUAL INTENT TO CERTAIN NONIMMIGRANT STUDENTS.—
27 Subsection (h) of section 214 of the Immigration and Nationality Act
28 (8 U.S.C. 1184(h)) is amended—
29
30 (1) by inserting “(F)(iv)," following “(H)(i)(b) or (c),"; and
31
32 (2) by striking “if the alien had obtained a change of status" and
33 inserting in its place “if the alien had been admitted as, provided
34 status as, or obtained a change of status";
================================================== =====
what does (c) in Student visas do :
214(b) of Immigration and Nationality Act : defines whether the applicant has an immigration intent or not and in general avoids , H , L , etc visas out of this category.
As stated in US code of Law this is what it is :
================================================== ======
"Every alien (other than a nonimmigrant described in subparagraph (L) or (V) of section 1101 (a)(15) of this title, and other than a nonimmigrant described in any provision of section 1101 (a)(15)(H)(i) of this title except subclause (b1) of such section) shall be presumed to be an immigrant until he establishes to the satisfaction of the consular officer, at the time of application for a visa, and the immigration officers, at the time of application for admission, that he is entitled to a nonimmigrant status under section 1101 (a)(15) of this title. An alien who is an officer or employee of any foreign government or of any international organization entitled to enjoy privileges, exemptions, and immunities under the International Organizations Immunities Act [22 U.S.C. 288 et seq.], or an alien who is the attendant, servant, employee, or member of the immediate family of any such alien shall not be entitled to apply for or receive an immigrant visa, or to enter the United States as an immigrant unless he executes a written waiver in the same form and substance as is prescribed by section 1257 (b) of this title."
================================================== ======
By doing this (i.e. remove my Underlined and Bold letters) they making H1B prone to 214B clause and any CONSULAR officer can reject visa based on this statute as a H1B categorized as IMMIGRANT intent rather than earlier being non-immigrant.
Now i think this should not effect 485 or 140 or any immigration applications as still H1B holder is still categorized in DUAL Intent.
This is how : when (d) of the above Student visa section is applied this is how it turns :
This is from US code of rules pertaining to 8 U.S.C. 1184(h)
(h) Intention to abandon foreign residence
The fact that an alien is the beneficiary of an application for a preference status filed under section 1154 of this title or has otherwise sought permanent residence in the United States shall not constitute evidence of an intention to abandon a foreign residence for purposes of obtaining a visa as a nonimmigrant described in subparagraph (H)(i)(b) or (c),(F)(iv), (L), or (V) of section 1101 (a)(15) of this title or otherwise obtaining or maintaining the status of a nonimmigrant described in such subparagraph, if the alien had been admitted as, provided status as, or obtained a change of status under section 1258 of this title to a classification as such a nonimmigrant before the alien’s most recent departure from the United States.
================================================== ======
Section 1258 is nothing but Change of nonimmigrant classification which allows for change of status with in Non-immigrant visas.
based on all these , conclusion i see is : h1B visa can now be rejected ( if law passes and i wish , i pray and i am doing all my best it doesnt) under 214B for consular posts.
Still h1B is considered DUAL Intent as per above amendment as it doesnt remove 101 (a)(b) (H) as they are speciality workers that is we seeking GC.
Please comment , i know i am not an immigration attorney with my knowledge i tried to relate things i am curious about this subject and i request all to comment on this and i feel i made a good judgment based on these resources i have please comment.
*******************
But logically i also feel this H1B under 214B as doesnt logical for a person whose 140 is approved as in principle his intent of being Immigrant is approved.
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Green.Tech
06-12 11:29 AM
got 1 friend to donate yest., he should be posting the receipt Id soon.. I have the ID but didn't wanna post myself to double count.
Guys, please persuade your friends and coworkers.
Thanks.
Good work, add78!
Guys, please persuade your friends and coworkers.
Thanks.
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Gravitation
05-01 02:12 PM
I have some black dots in my Control Panel? What is the meaning of a black dot?
And how does one give black dot to some one? When I try to add reputation to a post, I can only see I approve or I disapprove options. I would imagine I approve=green and I disapprove=red. Where does a black dot fit into this scheme?
The gray dots come when you get either approval/disapproval from somebody who has:
less than 30 posts.
overall negative reputationgray dots have no affect on your reputation. This is to prevent new or disreputes from irresponsibly affecting others' reputations.
And how does one give black dot to some one? When I try to add reputation to a post, I can only see I approve or I disapprove options. I would imagine I approve=green and I disapprove=red. Where does a black dot fit into this scheme?
The gray dots come when you get either approval/disapproval from somebody who has:
less than 30 posts.
overall negative reputationgray dots have no affect on your reputation. This is to prevent new or disreputes from irresponsibly affecting others' reputations.
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vkannan
03-06 05:33 PM
Few observations based on thread postings
1) Last year around this same time not many RFE/LUD were seen.
2) Most of these cases with RFE/LUD are either EB2 around 2005-2006 or EB3 2003-2004
3) My Lawyer based out of IL confirming RFEs are in high volume and majority of these are Employment verification with Birth verification and Health letter verification as close second.
Now given the gov attitude and the current scenario it does not seem that they would be interested in pre-adjudication. There is something else that is going on. On the same note I am also seeing that people with dates which could possibly be current anytime this year are not seeing any LUD/RFE. If pre-adjudicating is the objective than these cases should have received the RFEs first.
Just my observation. Any input is appreciated.
To keep the HOPE high;) One more point to consider , remember a month back there was a information going around on the # of Cards ordered by USCIS? Man, all these crazy things going around with
a) LUDs
b) Name Check 180 days rule
c) # of Cards ordered etc etc., etc., is making ppl. more anxious.....
1) Last year around this same time not many RFE/LUD were seen.
2) Most of these cases with RFE/LUD are either EB2 around 2005-2006 or EB3 2003-2004
3) My Lawyer based out of IL confirming RFEs are in high volume and majority of these are Employment verification with Birth verification and Health letter verification as close second.
Now given the gov attitude and the current scenario it does not seem that they would be interested in pre-adjudication. There is something else that is going on. On the same note I am also seeing that people with dates which could possibly be current anytime this year are not seeing any LUD/RFE. If pre-adjudicating is the objective than these cases should have received the RFEs first.
Just my observation. Any input is appreciated.
To keep the HOPE high;) One more point to consider , remember a month back there was a information going around on the # of Cards ordered by USCIS? Man, all these crazy things going around with
a) LUDs
b) Name Check 180 days rule
c) # of Cards ordered etc etc., etc., is making ppl. more anxious.....
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Ravneetsingh
10-01 12:59 PM
Pls excse my noob-ness, i have read all the pages of this thread but cudnt find a precise answer.
I am in the Rn program, and wud be graduating in may08, hopefylly pass nclex and start OPT by june08. i can then start with my visa screen, and I140 as these are not retrogressed, but if retrogression continues and i am not able to file I485, do i still get an EAD. my guess is 'not' but just trying to confirm as i wud have to plan to continue with studies after 1 yr of OPT.
and btw thanks for tons of usefull info!
I am in the Rn program, and wud be graduating in may08, hopefylly pass nclex and start OPT by june08. i can then start with my visa screen, and I140 as these are not retrogressed, but if retrogression continues and i am not able to file I485, do i still get an EAD. my guess is 'not' but just trying to confirm as i wud have to plan to continue with studies after 1 yr of OPT.
and btw thanks for tons of usefull info!
yabadaba
02-18 05:07 PM
i had run these numbers a while back. for sure EB2 will reach the end of 2005 this year. i just hope its done systematically so that they clear everybody with an EB2 2005 PD this year.
dewdrop
07-19 02:09 AM
Somehow i still think PD will be important.People are wondering how they are gonna pull out earlier pd's from the thousands that will pour in.Well,while entering the file into the system,they have to enter all this data right,in order to issue receipts.Surely they have a way of sorting the whole file by PD,becoz they know that after the retrogression,as and when visa numbers become available,they can just haul out the files by PD and see if security checks and fp are done!!In this case RD's are useless,except for EAD's and AP's or maybe to sort out the apps among the current dates itself!!!!If so,they can allot a number and we see the green!!!I'm sure i am missing out some key plot point here...but i wish the processing was as simple as the above!!!